Tweets from the Red Wings’ optional practice + Tweets of note regarding Griffins, Walleye and Darren Eliot on WDFN

I had to take my mother to a doctor’s appointment today, so I missed the Red Wings’ optional practice. After practice, Jeff Blashill and Mike Green spoke with the media…

And here’s a Twitter play-by-play:

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Ken Holland appears on the Jamie and Stoney Show, talking about the trade deadline

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland appeared on 97.1 the Ticket’s Jamie and Stoney show on Tuesday morning. Holland addressed the team’s deadline move, the team’s inability to move Mike Green and Holland’s philosophy for the team going forward:

Update: CBS Detroit’s Will Burtchfield took note of Holland’s remarks:

Holland, who has spoken recently like a general manager who expects to retain his job, isn’t worried about his future with the Red Wings. His sense of security stems in large part from his close relationship with the Ilitches.

“I’m the general manager of the Detroit Red Wings. Very proud, very honored to have this job. Obviously there’s speculation because my contract expires at the end of the year, but I’m not concerned about it because of the relationship that I’ve got with ownership, and at the same time, where I am with my career and my life,” Holland told 97.1 The Ticket on Tuesday. “So, it’s of no concern to me. And the rumors with regard to Seattle can only be rumors. They don’t even have a team.”

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Update: Here’s more from Burtchfield:

“To tell you the honest truth, I was prepared to take nothing in return, nothing in the sense that it would start out at nothing and (it would increase) based upon team performance, based upon his health, games played,” Holland told 97.1 The Ticket. “I was open to negotiating all that so that the compensation risk was on the Detroit Red Wings.

“Certainly we were prepared to retain 50 percent of the salary, but ultimately when you’re trying to compete for a Stanley Cup and there’s other players on the marketplace that are healthy, nobody really wanted to acquire a player that at this stage of the game was injured.”

The Red Wings wanted to structure a similar trade to the one they drew up in regard to Petr Mrazek, whereby Green’s performance would determine the extent of the return, but the handful of teams in on the All-Star defenseman got cold feet as he continued to miss games in advance of the deadline. Then Erik Karlsson and Ryan McDonagh landed on the market, and interest in Green waned further.

Green was reportedly willing to waive his no-trade clause for both the Lightning and the Capitals (and possibly others). Tampa wound up landing McDonagh in a last-minute blockbuster with Rangers, while Washington was engaged in discussions with the Senators about Karlsson right down to the wire. It’s unclear if any other teams had legitimate interest in Green.

“There were some teams that he would prefer to go to and some teams that he would prefer not to go to, but we never got to that point in time,” Holland said. “The teams that had the most interest, he gave me the green light that he was prepared to go there, so the no-trade had nothing to do with the ultimate outcome of the Mike Green situation.”

Shoe, meet other foot

The Associated Press’s John Wawrow penned a trade deadline wrap-up, and over the course of his article, Wawrow speaks with Ken Holland regarding the Wings’ change in deadline philosophy:

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland has suddenly come to appreciate how valuable first-round draft picks are when a team’s not in playoff contention at the NHL trade deadline.

“I’ve been on that on the other side,” Holland said, recalling Detroit’s heydays in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when the Red Wings were competing with Dallas, Colorado and New Jersey in vying to add top talent to strengthen their playoff run. “When those teams made a move, we were aware of it.”

The Red Wings were far from that position, sitting in a tie for 12th and five points out of contention, when the trade deadline struck on Monday afternoon. Though Holland wasn’t discounting Detroit’s chances of making a late-season push, he wasn’t exactly dealing from a position of strength.

Rather than adding a player, the Red Wings subtracted . They traded established forward Tomas Tartar to the Western Conference-leading Vegas Golden Knights for three draft picks, including a first-round selection.

“This wasn’t a rental in this case,” Holland said of Tatar, a three-time 20-goal-scorer with three years left on his contract. “But the trading of the first-round picks speaks to those teams that have had great years and feel that they’ve got to do something that really impacts their team.”

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The Athletic’s Custance on Tatar and Green

The Athletic’s Craig Custance broke down the Red Wings’ trading of Tomas Tatar and retention of Mike Green this morning. Custance confirms that Green’s neck injury prevented a deal from happening, and he discusses the reasons why the Tatar deal did happen:

“He can play all over the lineup,” [Vegas GM George] McPhee told The Athletic on Monday night. “First line, second line, right wing, left wing. He scores goals and plays hard enough and competes.”

McPhee had seen plenty of Tatar over the course of the last year. He spent many nights in Joe Louis Arena last season in buildup towards the expansion draft. He was spotted recently at Little Caesars Arena while passing through town en route to the Top Prospects game in January.

He liked Tatar. So did his pro scouting staff. And so Sunday, the two sides touched base again, although it would be a stretch to say either side was optimistic a deal was getting done at that point.

“Kenny didn’t have to trade him,” McPhee said. “He was under no pressure in that way. And so until he got what he wanted and until I got to a place where I was comfortable, it (wasn’t happening.)”

The Red Wings wanted a prospect as part of the deal. That was a no-go for a Vegas franchise that has only one draft under its belt. If this deal was happening, they were dealing from their draft pick surplus not thinning out a fledgling prospect list.

Custance continues (paywall)…

Krupa weighs in on impatience with the rebuild-on-the-fly

The Detroit News’s Gregg Krupa expresses some dissatisfaction with the Red Wings’ slow-but-steady approach to “rebuilding on the fly,” suggesting that the Wings should have been more cutthroat regarding players with bigger contracts:

What does it all mean for the Red Wings, trade deadline 2018?

It means they are rebuilding and not going fast enough, with enough results.

Signs of some acceleration and greater effect are perceptible. But the reconstruction still lags.

They became sellers in 2018, just as they were in 2017, and did a nice job of collecting cherished and critical draft picks, the resources integral to rebuilding given the state of the personnel rules.

This year, by trading Petr Mrazek and Tomas Tatar, they also have finally begun moving out some salary.

That is a good, but overdue, development.

Meanwhile, Mrazek and Tatar were producers, and far from the top choices for the rummage sale the Wings are best advised to endure. But some fans are learning what management already knew: Beggars cannot be choosey.

Krupa continues, and it’s not easy to raise one’s voice in dissent, but I also don’t really know what the Wings are supposed to do with the players on bloated contracts other than endure them for a couple of years…along with the rest of us.

Stuck in the middle with Ken

Red Wings fans have made their distaste for the team’s inability to make more than one trade deadline deal quite plain today, and fans have yelled at each other as much as they’e yelled about the fact that Mike Green is still a Red Wing.

I’ve been up and working for the last…it’s been a while since I slept and a longer time since I slept soundly, let’s put it that way, and this afternoon, when all was said and done, I posted the Tweets from and MSM reaction to Red Wings GM Ken Holland’s conference call with Detroit’s Wings scribes.

I spent the time doing so because I wanted you to hear and read the GM’s take for yourselves, and I spent the time doing so because I felt that it was necessary to allow the GM to explain himself.

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Tatar says goodbye on Instagram

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More from Red Wings GM Ken Holland’s conference call regarding the trade deadline

Updated 5x at 10:25 PM: Red Wings GM Ken Holland spoke with the media on a conference call this evening (click for the Tweet post), addressing the trade of Tomas Tatar and the team’s lack of deadline moves.

Fox 2 Detroit posted a clip of the audio from Holland’s call, so first and foremost, you can listen to KH yourself:

Second, as Michigan Hockey’s Stefan Kubus notes that Mike Green’s sore neck scared off some suitors. That’s a big concern given that Green was supposed to be almost ready to play on Sunday:

With regards to Green, he was certainly expected to be moved, but due to his recent nagging neck injury and potential suitors chasing after the likes of Ryan McDonagh (acquired by Tampa Bay) and Erik Karlsson, a deal couldn’t be made. Holland confirmed one team requested his medical report and another team was interested over the last four-five days.

“There was interest, and over the last week, obviously Mike hasn’t played,” Holland said. “I have to give full disclosure. One team out there requested his medical reports and we had talked to a team doctor, and another team was very interested here over the last four or five days, but obviously Mike hasn’t been able to play, the injury that he’s got is something that could resurface again here. He’s getting better, a chance he could be in our lineup this weekend.

“Obviously hard for a team to add a player that they weren’t 100-percent sure when he was gonna come back and if he did come back, if maybe the injury flared up again, so that had everything to do with Mike Green remaining a Red Wing. Certainly, I talked to Mike. Mike was open to being traded to another team. He would’ve loved the opportunity to go for a team that had a real chance to win a Stanley Cup. We had that conversation ten days ago.”

Otherwise, Holland suggested that he made a trade “for the future,” as noted by the Free Press’s Helene St. James

The Wings traded forward Tomas Tatar to the Vegas Golden Knights just before Monday’s deadline, in exchange for a first-round pick in 2018, a second-round pick in 2019, and a third-round pick in 2021.

“This was about the future,” general manager Ken Holland said. “This was about creating opportunity for younger people in the organization that we think are ready.”

Holland named Tyler Bertuzzi as one such candidate, along with prospects Evgeny Svechnikov and, maybe next season, Michael Rasmussen, the ninth overall pick from last summer.

“I am trying to build a team here that somewhere down the road can compete for the Stanley Cup,” Holland said. “It has to be done through the draft. Now there’s more draft picks, more assets.”

But Holland made a contradictory remark regarding his decision to hold onto other assets:

Tatar ended up being the Wings’ only move of the day. Holland said he had “lots of discussions about lots of players … but by no stretch of the imagination was I looking to move out a ton of people.  The wheels are turning and we are trying to get younger, but for those young people, it’s important we have veteran leadership to guide them.”

There will be more added to this post–MLive’s Ansar Khan, the Detroit News’s Gregg Krupa and Ted Kulfan and CBS Detroit’s Will Burtchfield all have to weigh in yet–but if you want to hear another 20 minutes’ worth of Ken Holland, here’s your appointment viewing:

Update: Here’s more from Hockeybuzz’s Bob Duff:

“I really made the deal because we’re looking forwards the future,” Red Wings GM Ken Holland told Mlive.com. “I had to make a decision, and as I look towards ’18-19, I thought that we have a lot of wingers on our board competing for spots next year – Tatar, (Gustav) Nyquist, (Andreas) Athanasiou, (Anthony) Mantha, (Justin) Abdelkader, (Luke) Glendening, (Darren) Helm.”

Tyler Bertuzzi moved up to the big club this season. There’s also Evgeny Svechnikov in AHL Grand Rapids, and 2017 first-round pick Michael Rasmussen with Tri-City of the WHL, a center who if he cracks the Detroit lineup next season at 19, could do like Dylan Larkin and launch his NHL career on the wing.

“I think we were dealing from a position where I had a lot of wingers,” Holland said. “I wanted to create some opportunity for the younger people.

“I’m trying to build a team here that somewhere down the road can compete for a Stanley Cup. It’s gotta be done through the draft. If there’s more draft picks, there’s more assets.”

The Wings also hold Ottawa’s second-round pick this June and could conceivably make four picks in the top 45. Or they could look to package one of their first rounders to try and acquire some established talent, perhaps help for the defense.

“Do we use the picks to do something? I don’t know,” Holland said. “We’ll see what the future brings, but the reality is the more assets you have, we’ll be able to use those future assets.”

Update #2: Even more from the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan

“When looking into ’18-’19, I felt we had a lot of wingers on our board competing for spots next year,” Holland said. “Certainly we have wingers, and we had an opportunity to acquire some picks to build our team for the future. If you want to create opportunity for some of the younger people in our organization that are banging on the door, I have to create opportunity. I have to move somebody.Our goal is to build a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup, and that’s going to happen through the draft. This gets us additional draft picks going forward.”

Vegas is an expansion team who is surprising the hockey world, leading the Western Conference. The Golden Knights had a bushel of draft picks — having accumulated them during the expansion draft — and tapped into them to land Tatar.

Holland and Vegas GM George McPhee began talking two weeks ago, after McPhee expressed interest in Tatar, and the two finalized terms of the trade Tuesday.

“Tomas will play very well in Vegas, and it’s a great trade for both teams,” Holland said.

Holland fielded calls for many players on the current roster, but talks didn’t advance far.

“We’re looking to the future, to build, but to hang on to a culture and environment where our young people come in and there are pros in the locker room,” said Holland, anticipating three to four young players on the Red Wings’ roster next season (Evgeny Svechnikov and Michael Rasmussen are possibilities). “I wanted to keep a hockey team. We’re going to play hockey in October and we have to try to be better, more competitive. When those young people go in there, it’s important we have veteran leadership to guide them.”

And MLive’s Ansar Khan:

Mike Green was the Detroit Red Wings’ most viable trade chip for most of the season, and in recent weeks, as the team fell further out of playoff contention, it appeared certain the veteran defenseman would be moved.

Then Green suffered a neck injury on a hit from Tampa Bay’s Adam Erne on Feb. 15. He hasn’t played since, and it affected his trade value. That’s why Green remains a Red Wing past Monday’s deadline, general manager Ken Holland said.

The Red Wings had extensive discussions with the Lightning, who acquired defenseman Ryan McDonagh from the New York Rangers. Washington, Green’s former team, also was interested.

“One team requested his medical reports,” Holland said. “Another team was very interested over the last four or five days, but Mike hasn’t been able to play. The injury is something that could resurface again.

“He’s getting better, there’s a chance he could be in our lineup this weekend. Hopefully he continues to practice and doesn’t have any flare-ups, but ultimately, it’s hard for a team to add a player they weren’t 100 percent sure was going to come back, and if he did come back that maybe the injury would flare-up again. That had everything to do with Mike Green remaining a Red Wing.”

CBS Detroit’s Will Burtchfield weighed in

Holland is intent on rebuilding the Red Wings through the draft, and he now has four picks in the first two rounds of this year’s draft. That can become five based on the conditions of the Petr Mrazek trade.

“This was an opportunity to acquire some picks, to build our team for the future. Certainly our goal is to build a team that can contend for the Stanley Cup, and it’s really going to happen through the draft,” Holland said.

Another benefit for the Wings is the clearance of Tatar’s $5.3 million cap hit through the 2020-21 season. That will make it easier for the team to re-sign the likes of Larkin, Anthony Mantha and Andreas Athanasiou this summer, all of whom will be restricted free agents.

But Holland said that wasn’t much of a concern to start with.

“I wasn’t worried about the cap. Had Tats stayed I think we were going to be able to squeeze everybody in if we had to,” Holland said. “This is more about looking toward the future and creating opportunity for some younger people in the organization.”

Holland’s discussions with Golden Knights GM George McPhee began about two weeks ago when he made it clear the Wings were looking to move a proven NHL player to acquire future assets. McPhee identified Tatar as a target for his team, currently in first place in the West, and talks heated up over the weekend. The two GMs spoke again Monday morning, and then McPhee made a formal offer around 1:30 Monday afternoon.

They made a few tweaks and came to an agreement about 10 minutes before the 3 p.m. deadline, Holland said.

“I was hoping to try to find a deal where we were going to get a high draft pick and a good, young prospect. Ultimately, we got the deal that we did, and I feel good about it,” said Holland.

Update #3: Even more from DetroitRedWings.com’s Dana Wakiji:

The Wings originally drafted Tatar, 27, in the second round, 60th overall, in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft. T atar led the Wings in goals last season with 25 and has 16 goals and 12 assists in 62 games this season. Tatar’s most productive offensive season came in 2014-15, when he scored 29 goals, nine on the power play, and 27 assists in 82 games.

“It’s hard to let people go that you’ve watched from the draft table at the age of 18,” Holland said. “You watch them play junior or college or Europe, or whatever. They turn pro and they got the American League. And Tomas Tatar is the playoff MVP, scores 16 goals in 20 games and Grand Rapids wins the Calder Cup. Then he comes up to the National Hockey League and he scores 19 goals, and 29 goals, and 25 goals and plays hard every day. He’s durable. He’s in the lineup every night. And then you’ve got to trade those people, because we’re not where we need to be.”

The additional first-round pick gives the Wings as many as 11 for the draft this summer, including two in the first (Vegas), two in the second (Ottawa’s from the New York Rangers for Brendan Smith), two in the third (Pittsburgh’s for Riley Sheahan), two in the sixth (Montreal’s for Steve Ott); one in the fourth and seventh and a conditional fourth-round pick (Philadelphia’s for Petr Mrazek).

Philadelphia’s fourth-rounder could turn into a third-round pick if Mrazek wins three more games and the Flyers make the playoffs.

Detroit also has amassed a possible 10 picks in the 2019 draft: two in the second and fifth rounds; one in the first, third, fourth, sixth and seventh; and a conditional third-round pick from Philadelphia.

“The deal mostly was about creating opportunity, dealing from a position where we had an excess of wingers, and looking towards the future to try to build something here that can compete one day down the road as a legitimate Stanley Cup contender,” Holland said. “It’s gotta start at the draft table.

Update #4: Here’s even more from MLive’s Ansar Khan

“I’m glad I was able to get Tomas Tatar to a real good team,” Holland said. “Obviously, Vegas is one of the top teams. There’s a lot of excitement in the city. They’re having a great year, first in the West, and they’re looking to go on a long playoff run. It looks like they’re going to have a good team next year and the year after. We feel good about the deal and what a great opportunity for Tomas Tatar.”

Holland said he had lots of discussions about other players but wasn’t interested in a fire sale.

Teams were interested in defenseman Mike Green as a rental, but he’s missed six games with a neck injury and there is a concern it could flare-up again.

A few clubs inquired about Luke Glendening, including Toronto, but the Maple Leafs instead acquired Tomas Plekanec. The Red Wings did not receive any offers for Gustav Nyquist, who has a full no-trade clause. They were not interested in moving Athanasiou, despite some speculation.

“We’re looking to the future, we’re looking to build, but at the same time, we’re trying to hang onto a culture, to an environment where our young people come in and there’s pros in that locker room,” Holland said. “We’re going to play hockey again in October and we got to try to be better as we’re moving some young people onto our team. We’re anticipating we’re going to have three, four young players on our roster next year from our system. It’s important to have veteran leadership role models in that locker room.”

And a bit from Vegas via the Associated Press’s Larry Lage:

The Knights acquired forward Tomas Tatar from the Detroit Red Wings for three draft picks on Monday. The Red Wings will receive Vegas’ 2018 first-round pick, a 2019 second-round pick that originally belonged to the New York Islanders and Vegas’ 2021 third-round pick. It was a steep price for the 27-year-old, but one that McPhee was willing to pay considering Las Vegas’ stunning debut season. The Knights are at the top of the Western Conference in their first season.

“It was easy because when we acquired all of those picks we said we’re either going to use those picks to draft players or to acquire players and this is an example of acquiring a player,” McPhee said.

“The picks that we gave up are spread out over four drafts so we have lots of picks and to spread them out over four drafts was not a problem for us. It was the way we were hoping to do a deal today.”

Tatar adds both scoring and depth to Vegas’ lineup. Tatar has 16 goals and 12 assists this season and is under contract through the 2020-21 season. He’s topped the 20-goal mark in each of the past three seasons and had 19 goals in his first full season in the league in 2013-14.

“We went into the deadline with one thing circled on our board, or at least this part of the deadline, and that was adding one more top-nine forward and we accomplished that,” McPhee said.

“He’s only 27. He’s quick, he’s competitive and he can score. He’s scored 20 goals a season over the last three years and he’s on pace to do it again. We didn’t want to trade draft picks for someone that isn’t going to be here after the summer and he has three years left on his contract, we’re happy about that.”

Update #5: Here’s the NHL Tonight on the Tatar trade, with Brian Lawton and Kevin Weekes weighing in:

 

Tweets from Red Wings GM Ken Holland’s trade deadline conference call

The Red Wings’ beat writers spoke with Wings GM Ken Holland during a conference call on Monday evening, in which Holland addressed the team’s trading of Tomas Tatar to the Vegas Golden Knights and the team’s relative dearth of deadline moves.

The Detroit News’s Gregg Krupa weighed in…

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What the beat writers are saying about the Wings’ deadline move

The Red Wings’ beat writers have weighed in on the Red Wings’ trade deadline move and non-moves.

The Free Press’s Helene St. James focused on the Tatar trade and the sum total of the Wings’ draft picks this year…

The Wings traded forward Tomas Tatar to the Vegas Golden Knights just before Monday’s deadline, in exchange for a first-round pick in 2018, a second-round pick in 2019, and a third-round pick in 2021. The Wings are not retaining any salary, so it clears a contract that had three more years at $5.3 million per year off the books.

It also gives the Wings two first-round picks in the 2018 draft, which is considered deep on high-end defensemen and high-scoring forwards.

From prior trades, the Wings also have two picks in each of Rounds 2, 3, 4 and 6 in 2018. One of the fourth-round picks is a conditional pick from the Petr Mrazek trade, and could rise to a second-round pick if Mrazek and the Philadelphia Flyers reach the final four of the playoffs.

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